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    One of our Members has started a small business offering room analysis and treatment options, the services and prices will vary form the modest for a room analysis, to the sky's the limit (think 10% system cost) for a full analysis and treatment, having seen the plans and heard the results this can birng i put my self forward as his forst forum Guinea Pig , seriously as i said after hearing the difference, and seeing the results i have comissoned Simon to look at my current room.

    You guys can wait till i post my finidngs, or you can contact Simon Direct (Si74) A room analysis plot with printo offs for posistiong speakers etc Starts around £300 (the price some of you have paid for an interconnect, or isolation product) and considering the room treatment effect is as dramatic as speaker changes this is a dramatic service for a dramatic effect, Once you have your room plot you can then see where and how you can add room treatments, Simon can offer a full service for these, form supply to full instalation, the analysis plot can also be used for you DIYer;s out there to construct your own.

    I also have it on authority that if you have your room analyised and then change you speakers you can have a new plot of the same room with the new speakers for £125
    and the best bit, the analysis price is £300 but for Crossover members that price is only £250 assuming you have 10 or more posts.

    Contact Simon for further info. and wath this space.

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    Oh the joys of headphone listerning

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    hi proff
    well room treatments can almost work wonder , but i am not at all sure if your room need it?? sounded fine with the big speakers playing in it .
    i will watch with interest , but also cause you have a good set of listenners on your shoulders , so it will be a honest enough appraisal.

    prehaps si can post a little to say what sprt of things he hopes to improve or sort out etc .

    i bet he cannot help the rather cheap tweeters in my spanners sound any good ? that would be a water to wine event.

    rehards
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    i love a little tweek , still goining with my balsa wood shelf it is bonkers , i think it helps get rid of some of the mains transformer rock and roll .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rare Bird View Post
    Oh the joys of headphone listerning
    that should be Joy singular Andre can't think of another argument for canz.

    TBH Ritchies correct, the room is fine, and it helps that the speakers are flat, but at REALLY high volume i reckon the room addsa a ittle, will be interesting to see the Plot. It may not tunr out that i need any help, or wether the help is preferable, but we spend a fortune in this game, then just stick the kit in and hope for the best, often dictated by spouses, grow a backbone and compromise i say

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    I reckon it's something I could be interested in.

    See if I can get rid of that odd left side bias room effect I get.
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    Probably off topic but i've never really been intrested in Room Acoustics as i've never had the opportunity of a dedicated listerning room, my Hi-Fi has always been dictated by the fact it's in a living room in which i have to respect that it's not just my room but the wife's aswell, pretty much had to make do with the area's available.I can imagine there's a lot of guys in this position.

    As mentioned i don't know too much about the game but i can imagine my room of 15Ft Sq box by 8 Ft tall would be an acoustic disaster in the eyes of the buff! Sounds great to me tho..

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    Paul,
    Great news...I'm well up for that.
    I've always wondered about my room. ie. if its any good or not.
    I've done the basic things like a big heavy rug on the floor in front of speeks and keep hard furnishings to a minimium, but these are just the basics and I have no knowledge whatsoever about tuning my room and wouldn't know where to start. I have recently found out that I may have an issue with the back wall behind my listening seat and was going to address this with something soft and heavy but I dont think Claire's into the Bayou Tapestry hanging on the wall.
    I'm in a similar position to Andre where my room is also a living room that I share with Claire, but first and foremost its a listening room and a living room second. Claire's pretty flexible when it comes to hifi improvements as you already know so any room treatment products shouldn't be a problem as long as there within reason and not to ugly or obtrusive.
    I take it that Simon has specialist equipment that he uses and would he be willing to travel to Fort William to do an analysis and treatment options
    I wait with bated breath for your findings after he's done your room...should be very interesting.
    Scott.
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    My venture into this was inspired by the wife saying " either get all that shit out of my lounge, or see if you can pack it all in your bags as you depart"
    Given I had worked hard to get my dream system, downsizing (and loosing money hand over fist) was not an option.
    The fact everyone said my system couldn't work in a 12 X 10ft room - the lounge was 23 x 14 - inspired a bit of hard study.
    I'd venture that the massive construction of the Proffs walls will be doing him no fvours in the bass regions but until I have the measurements, I'll keep my trap/s shut - lol :_)))))
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    Hi
    what do you mean when you say massive construction of Paul's walls?
    are you refering to type of wall and type of material...ie...plasterboard stud wall or solid brick?
    scott

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    They make bricks where he stays, so used lots of them in a doulble skinned formulation.
    Solid house but doesn't let the bass out.
    Think open field re a bunker - might screw things up a bit, we shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Si74 View Post
    They make bricks where he stays, so used lots of them in a doulble skinned formulation.
    Solid house but doesn't let the bass out.
    Think open field re a bunker - might screw things up a bit, we shall see.
    i should say its a very good thing that house construction doesnt let the bass out you can never have enough of good bass , also good bass costs big time so why give it away for free to the next door crowd, let them get there own .

    the proff seems to enjoy a it of rock and roll in the lower registers , good on him.

    new service from jazz bass , cost you £100 and cakes you put your best hifi recording with double bass on it , and play as loud as you care , then i play my bass to you ,

    then i pack up and leave £100 better off, (a couple of art custommers need not apply.)

    lots of trebble in a bass sound much more than you might think.

    cash only , scottish or english notes , jesus euro ???? you cannot spend scottish notes in manchester , what a load of toss

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    well lost me post
    so , a good job the bass is not getting out , bass costs a lot of money so let the next door buggers get there own bass .

    yoou can never have enough good quality bass , the proff likes a bit of bass ,

    new treatment costs £100 , you play a acoustic track with a douoble bass on youor hifi , we listen , then i play my bass to you !!!,

    you give me the cash , i leave , open to all (excepting a few art custommers , you know who you are /)

    a live double bass also has a surprising amount of trebble , only surprissing really if you listen to a lot of the piss poor bass recorded sounds on most cds .

    if your sound equalls mine i give you half back if not i keep the wedge ,

    happy to repeat with as many new bits as you care to add to you hifi , same rules apply , differen busicuits please at repeat visits .

    happy times ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post
    well lost me post
    so , a good job the bass is not getting out , bass costs a lot of money so let the next door buggers get there own bass .

    yoou can never have enough good quality bass , the proff likes a bit of bass ,

    new treatment costs £100 , you play a acoustic track with a douoble bass on youor hifi , we listen , then i play my bass to you !!!,

    you give me the cash , i leave , open to all (excepting a few art custommers , you know who you are /)

    a live double bass also has a surprising amount of trebble , only surprissing really if you listen to a lot of the piss poor bass recorded sounds on most cds .

    if your sound equalls mine i give you half back if not i keep the wedge ,

    happy to repeat with as many new bits as you care to add to you hifi , same rules apply , differen busicuits please at repeat visits .

    happy times ,

    jazzbass
    Ritchie, you know the phenomena of room gain, you have said it yourself, sometimes you crazy jazzers in an orchestra will "Load the room" it's some of that loading that i'm trying to get rid of.

    Every room has colour, now if speakers are flat and so is kit, then your room is adding it's colour to the sounds heard, now some room refelections are desirable so things don't sound "dead" but consider that some rooms are adding up to 10dB at 80Hz for example, that means that when you play a bass note at 40Hz the 2nd harmonic at 80Hz will be 3 times as loud, now a live player will modulate his playing to counter some of this, but a hifi won't/ I don't want a flat room, I certainly don't want any reduction in treble, but i'd like to flatten the lower registers, these are not apparent at normal volumes suggesting no major problems, but they are there, besides once analysed i can see if any problems warrant correction, correct them, and undo the correction if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Ritchie, you know the phenomena of room gain, you have said it yourself, sometimes you crazy jazzers in an orchestra will "Load the room" it's some of that loading that i'm trying to get rid of.

    Every room has colour, now if speakers are flat and so is kit, then your room is adding it's colour to the sounds heard, now some room refelections are desirable so things don't sound "dead" but consider that some rooms are adding up to 10dB at 80Hz for example, that means that when you play a bass note at 40Hz the 2nd harmonic at 80Hz will be 3 times as loud, now a live player will modulate his playing to counter some of this, but a hifi won't/ I don't want a flat room, I certainly don't want any reduction in treble, but i'd like to flatten the lower registers, these are not apparent at normal volumes suggesting no major problems, but they are there, besides once analysed i can see if any problems warrant correction, correct them, and undo the correction if necessary.
    my god a give the man a gong i understand what you speak of , actually fully aware of the room loading thing didnt know it had a term etc.

    had a great gig a while ago with a funky fooking drummer as loud as hell but in a musical way ??

    i had me ear lugs screwed in as titght as a tight thing and at several points we were getting grovey with the dynamics it was great , loud enough to make your eyes reflex blink ?? or what ever it is called , at one point even with plugs i was just at the end of the volume work and going to give up and i swear the cymbels looked like they were goinig to turn in side out , then the bloody looney just reached in to his stick bag and brought ouot a louder set of sticks , a real neat trick , and went up a notch , perfectly , not two or one and a half but one notch , .

    loud ?? yes yeeeeeessssss but musical , the room went bonkers , my piano player stopped playing and he is a old bugger .

    we had 300 watt jbl 15 inch monitors hitting the back stopps i reacon , and they are usually very sensative in the 96 db for one watt i shoul think.

    thank god for me plugs , i couldnt get to sleep for 4 hours after the bloody gig.

    lost me way .

    more volume usually helps ? more bass sir?? is the pope a catholic ??

    jazzbass

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    Here's the simple solution to all your problems gents.
    1. Sue for divorce.
    2. Build one of these modest little set-ups. http://aca.gr/pop_coulson.htm
    3. Find a gay male audiophile to share it all with.
    4. If 3 isn't to your liking, stay single and enjoy the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSBACH View Post
    Here's the simple solution to all your problems gents.
    1. Sue for divorce.
    2. Build one of these modest little set-ups. http://aca.gr/pop_coulson.htm
    3. Find a gay male audiophile to share it all with.
    4. If 3 isn't to your liking, stay single and enjoy the music.
    how will this make my room sound better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSBACH View Post
    Here's the simple solution to all your problems gents.
    1. Sue for divorce.
    2. Build one of these modest little set-ups. http://aca.gr/pop_coulson.htm
    3. Find a gay male audiophile to share it all with.
    4. If 3 isn't to your liking, stay single and enjoy the music.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how will this make my room sound better?
    Get the gay guy to turn your LP's over....
    scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roksoff View Post
    Get the gay guy to turn your LP's over....
    scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddie spaghetti View Post
    And rearange the furniture
    What about some nice flower arranging or he could even knit you a smashing pullover..

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    Smile crazy as a hat stand

    wont make your room work any better but you might feel a little more relaxed ,

    try this it is bonkers but it works for me and some other peeps whohave tried it .

    if you cannot turn all power swithches lights displays off , try covering them pesky leds up with a folded piece of paper and tape in it place , honestly the on light on my rega is like a spot light , also all the other little lights on power bars , etc the lot ,

    then sit down and let it sink in , you might be surprissed at how much more relaxed you are or not??

    light pollution really keeps the eyes going and in a very very small way i think act as little stress builders , crazy i know , but i also at times can hear music as colours ???

    so i am, waiting for the back to front jacket boys to come along soon >

    no more crazy than allining screw heads in the plugs ??? surley

    jazzbass

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