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    Has mentioned have moved my amp etc further from my speakers so needed some new speaker wire,never been one to believe in fairy dust etc was researching cost of some fairly thick wire as speakers are going to be about 15m from my power amp,was trying to find a a good quality thick and reasonable cost cable,I ended up ordering some 10awg stuff from amazon,should be thick enough not to interfere with the sound!
    What I did find interesting was this article I found which seems to back up my views on esoteric speaker cable, especially having seen a naim 250 go up in smoke in the early 80's(may have been late 70's)when hooked up using the fancy litz cables that were in vogue for a while,naim did eventually issue a warning about using them with their amps!

    http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wi...#resistancelow

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    Years ago I demo'd a whole load of different types of cable. From memory there was some Chord stuff, some Isolda, some DNM and some Nordost Red Dawn.

    Both Jenny and I were absolutely convined that the Nordost sounded 'clearer' than the others. In hindsight, I am not sure that clearer necessarily meant better but it was a surprise. I had convinced before hand that the Isolda was going to be my favourite.

    Nowadays if I needed new cable I'd go for something cheap and well made.

    As for interconnects, I have never heard one iota of a difference in any I have heard or demo'd
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    Something fit for purpose at around 5.00 or 6.00 a metre? Is it single run or biwire you need?

    http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-xtc-...l#.WDG444WBTmU

    I use Chord Rumour 2 (bought second hand) in one system and Wireworld Stream in the other. Neither are exotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ESK View Post
    Years ago I demo'd a whole load of different types of cable. From memory there was some Chord stuff, some Isolda, some DNM and some Nordost Red Dawn.

    Both Jenny and I were absolutely convined that the Nordost sounded 'clearer' than the others. In hindsight, I am not sure that clearer necessarily meant better but it was a surprise. I had convinced before hand that the Isolda was going to be my favourite.

    Nowadays if I needed new cable I'd go for something cheap and well made.

    As for interconnects, I have never heard one iota of a difference in any I have heard or demo'd
    We kind of semi-proved when I worked at a small specialist shop,run by a guy who used to teach at umist,that most of the perceived differences in cables was caused by some amps going slightly unstable and ringing on transients,that was same guy who caused the naim 250 to self destruct to prove a point lol,I have some old mission cable here,over 30yrs old(short lengths unfortunately) that the copper looks new/untarnished,I also have some stuff I bought abought 4yrs ago that the copper looks horrible,really affected by the air,seems the older stuff used better quality copper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve195527 View Post
    I also have some stuff I bought abought 4yrs ago that the copper looks horrible,really affected by the air,seems the older stuff used better quality copper?
    Probably work ok. Look at Keith Richards.

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    My system cost, approaching 6 figures, my cable cost (total) approaching 60' the Naim amp blew up as the capacitance of the litz cable caused the amp to fail as the amp had no Zobel network, was only reason, on amps with Zobel network (99%) Litz will be fine.

    I recently heard some cable that made a difference, even the interconnect (like ESK I had never heard differences in I/c's in the past) but they had more silver in them than a jewellers window, and the price....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Professor View Post
    My system cost, approaching 6 figures, my cable cost (total) approaching 60' the Naim amp blew up as the capacitance of the litz cable caused the amp to fail as the amp had no Zobel network, was only reason, on amps with Zobel network (99%) Litz will be fine.

    I recently heard some cable that made a difference, even the interconnect (like ESK I had never heard differences in I/c's in the past) but they had more silver in them than a jewellers window, and the price....
    we knew why it failed and knew it would, but at the time naim were claiming their amps were unconditionally stable into any load,to the normal guy buying amps/speakers/speaker cable that should mean you can use any speaker/cable combo with your amp and it shouldn't go pop! wonder if that would come under trade descriptions/sale of goods act

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    Take a look at NVA speaker cable on ebay. Even the cheapest LS2 is very good.

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    I use audio note speaker cable and have no desire to change it. Have had it for years.

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    15 metres is a fair old run. For that sort of distance I think you need a spiral cable rather than two parallel conductors. I think at that distance you need some noise cancellation so perhaps a twist plus ferrous chokes at the speaker end? I'd be looking at a 6mm copper cable designed for PA work. The chokes are easy to try. Take them off if they don't suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable Monkey View Post
    15 metres is a fair old run. For that sort of distance I think you need a spiral cable rather than two parallel conductors. I think at that distance you need some noise cancellation so perhaps a twist plus ferrous chokes at the speaker end? I'd be looking at a 6mm copper cable designed for PA work. The chokes are easy to try. Take them off if they don't suit.
    been looking at some of that kind of stuff

    https://www.studiospares.com/Cables-...ble_546130.htm

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    Recommend you do a cheap experiment with Romex, or equivalent, solid copper wire from the hardware store. Like what's used behind your walls for the mains. Looks really "audio phool" if you put some of that stretchy mesh tubey stuff round it. You can use a drill if you want to put a noise repelling twist in it.

    I did this at the office, and my Nait2 hasnt complained yet.

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    lol it has to look pretty reasonable as well as sounding good,unlike your nait2, my wife would prob complain about that stuff,when I was younger and less bothered by other opinions I tried some stuff that was used to connect milkfloats to the chargers,that seemed to sound good but was over 1 1/2" in diameter and weighed tons,luckily at time was using a meridian 101b into 105's which lived in the stands of my gale 401's so only needed about 2ft 6inches of it on each side,was no good when I went back to lecson amps though

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    Watch out. Thieves are now targetting copper cable in homes.

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    next door neighbour just told me her hubby got home from work last night and found 2 guys trying to break into their house(not joking)
    can't believe even thieves would be out last night in the weather we had round here,must be desperate times

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    I hope he had his cricket bat handy and dispensed some home made justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve195527 View Post
    next door neighbour just told me her hubby got home from work last night and found 2 guys trying to break into their house(not joking)
    can't believe even thieves would be out last night in the weather we had round here,must be desperate times
    Burglars love the bad weather, it's ideal cover for them. Not many people about outside, visibility poor, etc.

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    it wasn't just bad,two of the tree ways we can get out of our village were flooded too deep to get through in a normal car

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    contacted sommer in Germany,ythis stuff

    https://linn.co.uk/hifi-separates/ac.../speaker-cable
    is of twisted pair construction,so ordered some,should be here tomorrow
    this stuff
    https://www.studiospares.com/Cables-...ble_546410.htm
    is apparently very very similar to this stuff
    https://linn.co.uk/hifi-separates/ac.../speaker-cable
    linn stuff 13/metre sommer stuff 3.30/metre
    although they wouldn't say it is the same stuff they did give me the impression they produced it for linn! they even knew linn claimed their stuff has 60 strands compared to sommer stuff having only 56
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    That looks like a great buy. Have read Sommer interconnects are good too.

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