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    any one have any thoughts on this cartridge please,i thinking of replacing my 2m black.

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    is that a old s/h cartridge??
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    yes it is.

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    forget old carts matey

    get your self a new one

    what sort of price u want to spend?
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    its already bought im afraid to say.

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    You have to go some to better the 2M Black.

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    the sd 900 was a superb cartridge,always regretted partexing towards an Asak,whether the one you're looking at is worth buying depends on the condition and how much it would cost having it refurbed by expert or van den hul,I personally prefer the supex to any ortofon cart I have heard,including the 2m black,only thing that let it down in any way was the fact it wasn't the best tracker,but then again neither were or are koetsus

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    well i bought it for what i thought was a reasonable price,it is going to need a retip soon,but after speaking to dom at north west analogue it would seem worth the expense.
    it was bought to go on my 774 but after rewiring it in silver wire and still not preferring it to my alphason hr ive so;d the 774.
    i dont mind paying to have the work done but before i do i just wanted some info on if would better the 2m black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma67 View Post
    i just wanted some info on if would better the 2m black.
    With your tt, arm, phono stage, amp, speakers, room, etc, how would we know? Plus some folk love what mm does and some prefer mc. Nothing wrong with trying it out; it could have a better presentation or a different presentation; one you prefer.

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    dom is a massive fan of supex's,he does a great job of rebuilding them, I hear he has gone quite expensive of late though compared to other rebuild services,it sounds far better than the 2m to my ears

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    if you fancy being a bit daring,this low output mm is for sale,if it sounds anything like its pickering brother(xlz-7500s)then it will sound fantastic and match you low mass arms well,and track whatever you throw at it at about 1g(add a gram if you keep the brush

    http://www.audioscope.net/stanton-98...on-p-2544.html

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    Depends if Perry Como is your thing (puffs on pipe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIU View Post
    Depends if Perry Como is your thing (puffs on pipe).
    ???

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    I have a good one as well as a now broken one which tracked like a pig... It's a classic 'added halo' type with a charming wide and deep imaged musical quality, but if fidelity to the master is your goal (sadly, I've done a number of direct comparisons over the years), the Supex will not be as close I suspect as the 2M Black is.


    Thing is, 'production' vinyl can lose so much in my experience, that many Top End approaches seem to place any one aspect over all the others and turntable/arm/cartridge/phono stage 'systems' that do try to give a balanced view of 'what's there' can tend to sound small and less 'expansive' that other more hyped systems do.


    I do like a good working clean SD900 Super, although when we used an adapted Grace 707 to house it in those dark pre-Ittok days, I don't think we were hearing what it could really do. Mine found a very good home in a lightly tweaked Technics SL1500 using an ADC headshell, the whole being highly pleasurable to listen to records through as it helped the listener to suspend disbelief very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    I have a good one as well as a now broken one which tracked like a pig... It's a classic 'added halo' type with a charming wide and deep imaged musical quality, but if fidelity to the master is your goal (sadly, I've done a number of direct comparisons over the years), the Supex will not be as close I suspect as the 2M Black is.


    Thing is, 'production' vinyl can lose so much in my experience, that many Top End approaches seem to place any one aspect over all the others and turntable/arm/cartridge/phono stage 'systems' that do try to give a balanced view of 'what's there' can tend to sound small and less 'expansive' that other more hyped systems do.


    I do like a good working clean SD900 Super, although when we used an adapted Grace 707 to house it in those dark pre-Ittok days, I don't think we were hearing what it could really do. Mine found a very good home in a lightly tweaked Technics SL1500 using an ADC headshell, the whole being highly pleasurable to listen to records through as it helped the listener to suspend disbelief very well.
    the grace even with the extra counterweight provided by linn wasn't heavy enough for the supex,you have master tapes of albums to compare vinyl playback to?where did you manage to get those?even tractor music,a very small loclal rcording studio wouldn't ever release them,apart from copies to the folk who had paid for the studio time,they said it infringed on copyright or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    I have a good one as well as a now broken one which tracked like a pig... It's a classic 'added halo' type with a charming wide and deep imaged musical quality, but if fidelity to the master is your goal (sadly, I've done a number of direct comparisons over the years), the Supex will not be as close I suspect as the 2M Black is.


    Thing is, 'production' vinyl can lose so much in my experience, that many Top End approaches seem to place any one aspect over all the others and turntable/arm/cartridge/phono stage 'systems' that do try to give a balanced view of 'what's there' can tend to sound small and less 'expansive' that other more hyped systems do.


    I do like a good working clean SD900 Super, although when we used an adapted Grace 707 to house it in those dark pre-Ittok days, I don't think we were hearing what it could really do. Mine found a very good home in a lightly tweaked Technics SL1500 using an ADC headshell, the whole being highly pleasurable to listen to records through as it helped the listener to suspend disbelief very well.
    i should have pointed out dave,the supex if i go any further with it will be retipped by nothwest anologue

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma67 View Post
    i should have pointed out dave,the supex if i go any further with it will be retipped by nothwest anologue
    has Dom talked you round to one of the fancy cantilever upgrades he does?(ruby etc) he had a couple of supex's of his own on kind of demo last time I was there with fancy cantilevers, he swore by them

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma67 View Post
    i should have pointed out dave,the supex if i go any further with it will be retipped by nothwest anologue


    I'd use a professional such as ESCo or possibly Goldring, who did a good job on a troika or three in the past...




    Getting a few master copies here and there was a doddle if you worked in a stereo shop in the west end and had people from nearby studios or broadcasting establishments visiting regularly. A very long time ago and I'll say no more.. The store I first worked in had good masters from Angus McKenzie as well as others from EMI such as DSOTM (Dolby A), Mandingo Sacrifice and side one of Mandingo III and a senior at Virgin Records ran us off a Dolby A copy of Tubular Bells as well as side one of Ommadawn. When the West End store opened, most of these tapes went down there and promptly disappeared Tubular Bells sounded fab on Tannoys (maybe it was mixed on them, I don't know) and the Mandingo tracks sound identical played loud from the CD's, where the vinyl softens them a little.


    My opinions of vinyl have varied over the years and I now sit between two stools. here and other enthusiast forums, I'd be regarded as a twonk for finding many Top End turntable systems too OTT, where a good properly set up Decca Gold upwards in an arm and turntable suited to it and used with a phono stage with huge headroom is possibly closer to the 'source tape' than many, dry balance and all, where in the HDD (AVI based) forum, I'm regarded as a twonk because I have any regard for vinyl at all, especially as I love tinkering with geriatric Dual 1019's and Garrard Lab 80's (and a host in between). One chap on VE is using a Denon 301 in his 1019 and we chatted about using an SD900E in one as well - I'm not that brave although the arm is pretty rigid, has low friction and the auto mechanism is supremely gentle if the cueing device is used before engaging auto-start - but I digress as usual
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    ( Tubular Bells sounded fab on Tannoys (maybe it was mixed on them, I don't know)
    I far as i am am aware it was. Someone was selling a pair of Tannoy concentrics allegedly used in Mike Oldfields recording studio on ebay a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    I'd use a professional such as ESCo or possibly Goldring, who did a good job on a troika or three in the past...




    Getting a few master copies here and there was a doddle if you worked in a stereo shop in the west end and had people from nearby studios or broadcasting establishments visiting regularly. A very long time ago and I'll say no more.. The store I first worked in had good masters from Angus McKenzie as well as others from EMI such as DSOTM (Dolby A), Mandingo Sacrifice and side one of Mandingo III and a senior at Virgin Records ran us off a Dolby A copy of Tubular Bells as well as side one of Ommadawn. When the West End store opened, most of these tapes went down there and promptly disappeared Tubular Bells sounded fab on Tannoys (maybe it was mixed on them, I don't know) and the Mandingo tracks sound identical played loud from the CD's, where the vinyl softens them a little.


    My opinions of vinyl have varied over the years and I now sit between two stools. here and other enthusiast forums, I'd be regarded as a twonk for finding many Top End turntable systems too OTT, where a good properly set up Decca Gold upwards in an arm and turntable suited to it and used with a phono stage with huge headroom is possibly closer to the 'source tape' than many, dry balance and all, where in the HDD (AVI based) forum, I'm regarded as a twonk because I have any regard for vinyl at all, especially as I love tinkering with geriatric Dual 1019's and Garrard Lab 80's (and a host in between). One chap on VE is using a Denon 301 in his 1019 and we chatted about using an SD900E in one as well - I'm not that brave although the arm is pretty rigid, has low friction and the auto mechanism is supremely gentle if the cueing device is used before engaging auto-start - but I digress as usual
    the denon 301 and 304 are/were very compliant for MC cartridges and suited low mass arms,in fact the compliance of the 304 was high even compared to a lot of mm carts,the problem with relating it to other cartridges was the way in which denon measured or gave the spec,it was done differently to most other manufacturers and caused folk to think they were far lower in compliance than they were,still got 2 x304's in a draw,(reserves lol,well that's what I tell my wife) they were one of the best cartridge bargains ever,I doubt the supex would work anywhere near its best in 1019 as the arm is on the light side,dual used to class it as low mass

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